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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Stupid&#8221; male geek culture? Tim Berners-Lee says so, so there!</title>
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		<title>By: Improbulus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment Nan. I agree, there are lots of good guys around, hey two of my best friends are male!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I thought the &quot;quantity over quality&quot; point (do lots of visible stuff, early on) was interesting and worth highlighting, even if the institutionalism of sexism in the geek culture is an old and well known issue.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m probably still going to post about insidious or not so insidious sexism, indeed I just have, but I&#039;ll try to keep it more fun or at least lighter in the future. And clearly I need to get out more and do stuff like learn golf... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Nan. I agree, there are lots of good guys around, hey two of my best friends are male!</p>
<p>However, I thought the &#8220;quantity over quality&#8221; point (do lots of visible stuff, early on) was interesting and worth highlighting, even if the institutionalism of sexism in the geek culture is an old and well known issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably still going to post about insidious or not so insidious sexism, indeed I just have, but I&#8217;ll try to keep it more fun or at least lighter in the future. And clearly I need to get out more and do stuff like learn golf&#8230; <img src='http://girlygeekdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NaN</title>
		<link>http://girlygeekdom.com/news/stupid-male-geek-culture-tim-berners-lee-says-so-so-there#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>NaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely understand why you didn&#039;t put my previous comment in. I didn&#039;t express myself very well at all. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I was trying to say, is that, in terms of managing the emotions associated with this sort of topic, it is easier to digest in the discussion group, as it is not ever present. &lt;br/&gt;I enjoy reading Imp&#039;s postings, but a topic like this, being an older techie who has seen a lot of insidious sexism, kind of screws me up for a bit...so I prefer to see fun stuff about technology and events here so I keep the clear head I need for coding.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fortunately the world is also full of a lot of good guys who do value the women they work/talk with, and it is nice to see some of them contributing here too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Geek culture which is a bit on the borderline for me includes...too much pizza, not enough washing, thinking coders are better if they work all night and sleep under the desk, talking in obscurities that have no practical benefit, playing DnD or warcraft for more than half a day a week. If I switch to project management, I think I may also need to learn golf? ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I reckon a lot of guys find these things a pain too. Just like fitting in any culture, some bits are fun and some bits are plain daft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely understand why you didn&#8217;t put my previous comment in. I didn&#8217;t express myself very well at all. </p>
<p>What I was trying to say, is that, in terms of managing the emotions associated with this sort of topic, it is easier to digest in the discussion group, as it is not ever present. <br />I enjoy reading Imp&#8217;s postings, but a topic like this, being an older techie who has seen a lot of insidious sexism, kind of screws me up for a bit&#8230;so I prefer to see fun stuff about technology and events here so I keep the clear head I need for coding.</p>
<p>Fortunately the world is also full of a lot of good guys who do value the women they work/talk with, and it is nice to see some of them contributing here too.</p>
<p>Geek culture which is a bit on the borderline for me includes&#8230;too much pizza, not enough washing, thinking coders are better if they work all night and sleep under the desk, talking in obscurities that have no practical benefit, playing DnD or warcraft for more than half a day a week. If I switch to project management, I think I may also need to learn golf? <img src='http://girlygeekdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I reckon a lot of guys find these things a pain too. Just like fitting in any culture, some bits are fun and some bits are plain daft.</p>
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